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What Radio Broadcasters Need to Know About Facebook and Apple’s Podcasting Announcements

By: Seth Resler
Jacobs Media Strategies

Last week, a pair of announcements from two Silicon Valley giants rocked the podcasting world. Facebook and Apple both announced new features that are likely to not only affect podcasters, but the entire audio industry. Here’s what radio broadcasters need to know:

Facebook is Embracing Audio
Audio is hot right now. Naturally, Facebook has chosen to dive in — primarily by copying things that other companies were already doing. (There’s an important discussion to be had about the social value of allowing large companies to co-opt disruptive innovations made by entrepreneurial outfits, but I’ll leave that conversation to philosophers, economists and members of Congress.)

Last Monday, Mark Zuckerberg announced a suite of new audio products. These include:

  • An inline audio player in partnership with Spotify that will enable people to launch podcast episodes (and songs) from their Facebook feeds. The key to this player, which Spotify debuted in a blogpost, could turn out to be the fact that it is done in conjunction with Spotify. When you press play on the miniplayer inside Facebook, you are prompted for permission to connect to the Spotify app. The podcast (or song) is then played in the background in Spotify, allowing you to continue scrolling through your social media feed.

    Audio is almost always consumed while people are doing other things — driving, working out, household chores, etc. — a fact that many past attempts to share audio on social media have ignored. By utilizing the Spotify app, Facebook is not forcing the user to focus their attention solely on the audio; it continues to allow them to multi-task. If this new feature succeeds, this could be the crucial reason why.

  • A Clubhouse clone by making an audio-only version of their Zoom clone, Rooms. Clubhouse is the new platform that’s been abuzz since its introduction last year. Although it is still only available for iOS, it has been quickly embraced by a number of celebrities and other high-profile personalities, including iHeartMedia CEO Bob Pittman and President of Podcasts Conal Byrne, who moderated a discussion with Paris Hilton and others on the platform last month. Clubhouse’s rise has led to a lot of chatter about “social audio” being the Next Big Thing. However, as Edison Research’s Tom Webster points out, “social audio” is a misnomer because once a group reaches a certain size, it can’t really be social in the same way that other platforms are. After all, while thousands of people may be able to reply to a social media post or YouTube video with a text comment, you simply can’t have thousands of people talk at once. At best, there’s a moderated discussion which allows individuals to briefly take the focus to speak a question or comment. “It’s talk radio,” says Webster. He’s absolutely correct — the only difference is that Clubhouse has made thousands of discussions on niche topics possible, while traditional talk radio isn’t able to scale the same way.

    Indeed, Clubhouse had already seen a steep drop in downloads even before Facebook’s announcement, so it’s unclear what its future holds. (For another interesting perspective, see this Twitter thread (reproduced as a blogpost) from Shaan Puri.

  • An audiogram generator (similar to Headliner) called Soundbites, which will enable users to turn short audio recordings into short videos that can be shared on the social network. This is crucial because audio content does not go viral, but video content does, so the ability to turn short pieces of audio into shareable video could help spread word about podcasts. But do audiograms actually work for podcasts? Caroline Crampton took a deep dive into this question for Hot Pod last fall. (Spoiler: *Shrug?*)


Apple and Spotify Are Enabling Podcasters to Generate Subscription Revenue

At last week’s Spring Loaded event, Apple debuted Apple Podcast Subscriptions, a new program which, starting in May, will allow podcasters to monetize their shows by charging listeners for access. Apple will take a 30% cut of the revenue in the first year and then 15% afterwards. There is also a “freemium” pricing model.

The announcement came with a number of major companies already on board, including NPR, Luminary, and PRX. iHeartMedia was noticeably absent.

For a deep dive into everything included in Apple’s announcement, see this post from James Cridland of Podnews and, while you’re there, subscribe to his newsletter.

This is a big deal because Apple has always been the 800-pound gorilla in the podcasting arena — according to Libsyn, iOS is responsible for over 4 times as many podcast downloads as Android — but it hasn’t done all that much to embrace the podcasting universe. That’s not surprising; the entire podcasting industry is closing in on a billion dollars a year and Apple makes almost 60 times that in a single quarter. But Spotify has made major inroads in the podcasting arena in the last few years, and some believe that this has woken the sleeping giant.

After all, Spotify is also introducing initiatives to help podcasters monetize their shows. This week, according to The Wall Street Journal, Spotify will also allow podcasters to create subscription content. However, there’s a key difference: unlike Apple, Spotify will not take a cut of the subscription revenue. Of course, Spotify has infrastructure in place that allows it to monetize podcasts in a way that currently, Apple does not: through advertising.

Beyond revenue, the other key differentiator between Apple and Spotify when it comes to their subscription offerings could be data. Apple — which has always been hugely protective of its users’ data — has said that it will not give podcasters key information about the people who subscribe to their shows, including their email addresses. On the podcasting panel at last week’s All Access Audio Summit, broadcaster-turned-podcaster Jeff Dauler said the lack of data sharing means he’d be reluctant to offer subscriptions through Apple. So what will Spotify do?

What It Means for Radio
What does all this mean for radio? First and foremost, these subscription programs may open up a revenue channel that few if any broadcasters currently take advantage of. Imagine, for example, being able to charge listeners for access to past or bonus episodes of your morning show.

But beyond that, there may be a more significant long-term effect on the broadcasting industry: by making it easier for audio content creators to monetize their shows, the balance of power between management and on-air personalities could tip. Over the years, there have been a handful of terrestrial radio personalities who have found success by continuing to do a show after leaving traditional radio — Howard Stern, Adam Carrolla, Marc Maron and Tom Leykis come to mind — but it’s often been an arduous road that required a lot of trailblazing.

In the past, when a high-profile on-air talent sat down at the negotiating table with management, the only alternative option to a deal was to move to another terrestrial station. If the talent only had a fanbase in one market, there were a very limited number of other places to go. Moving forward, however, it’s possible that “I’ll go it on my own” could be a realistic option for air talent with an established fanbase. Only time will tell.

Update: Spotify has now announced the details of its subscription program. You can find them on the Anchor blog.

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